Archive for August, 2007

Weekly Round-up

Summer’s ending and school’s begun. Even without being in school or having kids in school, the artificial conception of a new year beginning still feels more real now than it ever does in January. So as we move into this new year, I want to highlight a few post of note from Emerging Women this past week. Enjoy.

Makeesha responds to the issues of women paying to get a degree in homemaking.

Sally writes on humility and service.

Lyn wonders about raising children to have faith

Heather reflects on music as worship in the church.

and Sonja asks some hard questions about spiritual abuse in the emerging church.

The Real Issues of Women in Ministry

I recently got an email that directed me to this post at Margaret Feinberg’s blog. I think she’s asking some good questions and wanted to post them here. Join in the conversation here or over at her blog.

Old school: Women wrestling with the issue of whether they should be in ministy.

New school: Women are in ministry and wondering how to do it best.

When I google “Women in ministry” 97% of the articles (yes, that’s super scientific :) are on whether or not women should be in ministry. But when I talk to women who are in ministry, that’s not what they’re asking about. They want to know:

-I’m a single woman in ministry–how do I draw boundaries so my work doesn’t become my life?

-I’m one of the few women on staff and sometimes it seems the males don’t know how to respond to me. They’ll go to lunch but I’m not invited. At times, I feel left out for being a woman, how do I handle it?

-Where can I connect with other women who are assuming similar roles in their churches?

-Where do I find a Godly woman who can mentor me, encourage me and hold me accountable?

-Why does some of the stiffest opposition for doing what I do (whether it’s leading small groups, the worship team et) come from other women rather than men?

-Though the senior pastor and board supports me with this leadership role, there are some on staff who aren’t as supportive. They won’t come out and say it–but it shows up in their comments and attitudes. How can I win their hearts and represent Jesus well in the doors as I respond to the calling on my life?

So what do you think are some of the “real issues” of women in ministry?

Tuesday Book Club – Misquoting Jesus Part 4

Bart Ehrman’s Misquoting Jesus not only spent weeks on the bestseller list, but it also sparked a wave of controversy. One can find numerous critiques on the internet and the reaction books like Misquotes in Misquoting Jesus: Why You Can Still Believe and Misquoting Truth: A Guide to the Fallacies of Bart Ehrman’s Misquoting Jesus are hitting the shelves. But what is the big deal? Most of the criticisms are not about the concept of textual criticism itself (I guess its hard to critique something you don’t think exists), but more about details Ehrman deals with and most significantly about Ehrman’s personal faith and agenda. In fact most reviews of the book give it credit for being a good basic introduction to Textual Criticism 101 – it’s about stuff most Bible scholars know already. But beyond that the criticisms start pouring in. While the examination of the details of the book is helpful for a balanced perspective of the facts, I want to address a few of the most common ideological criticisms of the book here. (and yes this is really long and scattered…)

1. Ehrman is being provocative and fear-mongering without cause. Most scholars see nothing really new in Ehrman’s arguments and so dislike his attempt to shock the lay believer with his ideas. This angle chides Ehrman for trying to be popular by making the average Christian doubt their faith. The assumption is that the average believer is incapable of sifting through the issues and discerning truth from agenda. Basically that we are too stupid to cope with the basics of Biblical scholarship. A couple of quotes from critics -

“One almost gets the impression that he is encouraging the Chicken Littles in the Christian community to panic at data that they are simply not prepared to wrestle with. Time and time again in the book, highly charged statements are put forth that the untrained person simply cannot sift through. And that approach resembles more an alarmist mentality than what a mature, master teacher is able to offer. “

“Lay Christians DO NOT know this information. And more to the point, if they did, how could they trust the church, OR the Bible again? For centuries, members have been told that the Bible is the divinely inspired, inerrant word of God. This has been translated to mean that God actually guided the hands of the books’ authors. Within Christian churches this has been debated, but there is no question that a large number of Christians lean to the “guided” hand idea—which is why many churches do NOT preach on biblical history or theology regarding biblical canonization or textual criticism”

2. Ehrman feels like he has to prove something to himself and others by converting them to his liberal agenda. Since Ehrman was exposed to an imbalanced fundamentalist form of Christianity (at Moody and Wheaton), he is just working through his emotional wounds in book form. If he was more balanced he wouldn’t make such extreme statements. He also knows what he believes and his agenda is to convert others to believe as he does. That apparently is not respectable or scholarly. Plus it is liberal which according to some cannot be equated with true Christianity.

“In fact, I believe that his need to support his own rejection of his early fundamentalism and his ultimate rejection of Christianity as a whole (now an agnostic), has caused him to seek out the minority text–and to support the ’strange’ variant, all under the pretext of ‘good’ scholarship.”

“I believe that he wrote a ‘popular’ book on this subject (that is- a book for popular use rather than a scholarly work) to combat the influence of the Bible in the lives of millions of Christians and in everyday decisions made by believers–including political choices. Why do I say That?: A major promotion of the book–major publisher, major book stores, major media exposure, radio and TV interviews, plus major print media reviews–all with an unstated underlying liberal hope of finally getting at those darn ‘red state’–’Bible Belt’ evangelical conservative Christians… Political issues are noted in the introduction and the conclusion of the book. (Page 14- “…abortion, women’s rights, gay rights, religious supremacy, Western-style democracy, and the like?”; page 217- “..homosexuality, women in the church, abortion, divorce, and even American foreign policy…”). Ehrman seems to imply that our ‘fundamentalist’ belief in the Bible texts, cause us to make unfortunate conservative decisions.

3. Ehrman misunderstands inspiration and inerrancy. Ehrman thinks that inerrant means that God dictated the Bible to the writers. But “most Evangelical scholars believe that the words are ‘God-breathed’ and inspired, but recognize that the writings still reflect the style and language of the human authors. Many would also contend that the ‘verbal/plenary’ understanding of inspiration, goes somewhat beyond the historical orthodox Christian teaching on inerrancy.” So they say Ehrman is attacking an understanding of scripture that doesn’t really exist among scholars. To this I wonder if the academic ivory tower got in the way of observing reality. Ehrman is writing a popular level book, and is respond to what the lay Christian thinks. And many average believers think that God dictated scripture not matter what the scholars may say.

4. Ehrman strays from evangelical Biblical belief. Since he no longer trusts what the Bible says about itself nor the evangelical doctrine of scripture, he is out of bounds and is trying to make good Christians lose their faith. Presenting these ideas only serves to weaken faith and destroy belief. Doubt will creep in if Christians engage with outside opinions and so they shouldn’t risk being exposed to opposing viewpoints.

“The fact is, he has taken an unnecessary and illogical leap into spiritual quicksand by trusting his own fallible reason over what we are expressly told in the infallible Word of God: Holy Scripture is ultimately divine, not human, in its origin. If you are a skeptic who has read Bart Ehrman’s book, it is likely that you found it to be a comfortable and scholarly affirmation of your skepticism. Being satisfied in this way, you will likely look no further. Misquoting Jesus has become your blissful Nirvana, isolating you from the difficulties related to facing the facts which would challenge your position. If you have already made the decision to become “a happy agnostic,” based on Bart Ehrman’s book, I urge you to reconsider… Given the uncertainty and brevity of life, this is a matter you need to take seriously now, because one day soon—likely sooner than you think—your agnostic “happiness,” like Bart Ehrman’s, will come to a sudden and terrifying end.

How do you respond to these sorts of criticisms? What others have you heard? Do they aid in your understanding of the book or the ideas behind the book? As lay believers is it difficult to find balanced and helpful ways to engage with these issues?

Prayer synchroblog posts

We are really amazed by how many people have taken part in the synchroblog today. As promised here are the links for those of you who want to read some of what has been written. I’ll update the list if and when more entries are posted. There are some really excellent posts out there. Thank you to everyone here who has taken part. One thing evident in the majority of posts is that a lot of people are on a new journey and understanding in their prayer life, it is like God is stirring things up.


Cindy Bryan Teach Me to Pray…Again?
Lyn Hallewell God, Prayer and Me
Erin Word Prayer=Sex with God
Rick Meigs Prayer Helps that Get Me Deeper
Alan Knox Pray without Ceasing
Julie Clawson Prayer Synchroblog
Heather Synchroblog Prayer
Alex (Heather’s Husband) Prayer Synchroblog II
Lydia How Do You Pray
Che Vachon My Thoughts…
Paul Mayers Praying and Learning to Pray Again
Sonja Andrews The Appearance of Holiness
Jon Peres How Do I Pray?
Paul Walker One Congregation Experiments with Emerging Prayer
Susan Barnes Synchroblog: How Do You Pray?
Brother Maynard Fear Not the Silence
Nate Peres How Do I Pray?
Barry Taylor Synchroblog:How Do You Pray?
Emerging Grace Clearance Sale on Intercession Books
Jim Lehmer Synchroblog – How Do You Pray?
Lew A How Do You Pray? – Synchroblog
Jon Hallewell When I’m Spoken To
Deb Prayer Synchroblog
Barb Prayer without Throwing Things
Patti Blount How Do I Pray
Doug Jones How I Pray
Glenn Hagar Prayer Phases
Pam Hogeweide The Art of Blue Tape Spirituality
Mary How Do I Pray?
Rhonda Mitchell Prayer SynchroBlog
John Smulo Praying Naturally
Rachel Warwick How Do You Pray?
Barbara Legere How to Not Pray
Jonathan Brink Posture – Sitting With My Daddy
Andy How Do I Pray
Cynthia Clack How Do I Pray
Makeesha Fisher The Mystery of Prayer

Defending the Faith

The recent discussion (here and elsewhere) on the whole Mother Teresa and doubt topic got me thinking about how we handle faith under attack. Many people are attacking Mother Teresa and Christians in general right now. But as seen even here, this issue is one that has caused pain and questioning for many Christians. They are confused by such a revered person admitting to doubt and are coming face to face with their own doubts. Such issues are hard enough on their own, but are made much more difficult by the presence of criticism. When one feels the need to assume a defensive position, it become much harder to honestly work through one’s own feelings, questions, and doubts. Take the metaphor of a city under siege in defense mode – the resources and energies of the city are spent in preserving what is already there (safety, food, water) and not in creating art or debating philosophy (no matter how much value they may hold). It is hard to grow and develop when one is attempting to defend all that one holds dear.

I am reminded of my faith journey in high school as compared to college. I grew up in a rather conservative evangelical church. Those who thought differently than my church (Catholics, Baptists, Lutherans…) were not considered real Christians and the ideas of non-believers were to be avoided (or ridiculed). But I attended public schools where I had to defend my “faith” (or what I thought was my faith) on a constant basis. That involved standing up for creationism and absolute truth and standing against abortion and homosexuality – the essential core doctrines of my faith at the time. But given that I always found myself in the position of defending those beliefs, I never had the chance to examine or question why I believed them. Then I went away to a Christian college where a lot of those basic beliefs were assumed. I felt the freedom to question and explore different expressions of Christianity within the safety of that context. I ended up abandoning some of my earlier assumptions and coming to a deeper commitment of faith in the process. But I needed the safety of that environment to be able to do that.

Now I don’t pretend to assume that most Christian schools afford people that opportunity (not that all people found it at my college either), but it seems like we are in desperate need of such “safe places.” Places where we are free to question and push ideas without being made to feel guilty or defend our most basic assumptions. If we can’t get past the questions of “is there a God” or “is truth relative” then how can we ever truly grow? Those are needed questions at times, but sometimes the answers must just be taken on faith in order for us to move the conversation (and our emotional/mental/spiritual heath) along. But where are those safe places? It seems to me that the church should in a sense serve that function, but most people view the church as unsafe and unhealthy. How can this change or where else can we go?

Weekly Round-up

Hi All. There are some great post this week for our Weekly Round-up. Hope you all can encourage these Emerging Women bloggers by reading and commenting. Enjoy!

Nadia has embarked on a fascinating book project and is seeking input – today. Read about it here, it’s different but it should be fun.

Jan writes about telling our faith stories.

Lyn reflects on prayer.

Kim’s article Buffy on Vocation is up at The Ooze.

Sonja has some good thoughts about Christendom.

Heather has posted on freedom when interacting with scripture.

Happy has some good thoughts about hospitality.

and I write on a new understanding of a difficult Bible passage.

Mother Teresa’s Crisis of Faith

I received an e-mail with this link http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1655415-2,00.html

I found this very interesting. I was curious what other thoughts would be. To be honest, I almost found her more of a saint (not Catholic either). I found myself respecting her even more than before. If she was having these “dark” times, how amazing that she would continue to give and “live” the way of Jesus, regardless of these doubts. Where many times our faith and followings are self-centered and in hopes of pleasing God to get more blessings, she inspires me more to live the ‘ways’ of Jesus. I also feel that within the doubts and understanding, can come true strength of spirit. What are your thoughts?