Comments on: Just Venting

By: lydia

lydia — Tue, 03 Oct 2006 13:34:00 +0000

We're so small at this point, though, that we know why the ones who are sporadic are missing.

Good to know. I just didn't want you to get mad at someone for not showing up if they had a good reason for not doing so.

Oh, and SO = significant other (i.e. a spouse or long-term girlfriend or boyfriend.).

By: soldiermom

soldiermom — Tue, 03 Oct 2006 12:38:00 +0000

We have the same “here and there” issues at our church in central NY. I see a lack of motivation as compared to other churches I have been in. There are very few people who actually initiate events, or get involved in the day-to-day life of the church. It is frustrating. I wonder if others experience this apparent lack of commitment. Is it part of the postmodern movement? The average age of the attendees? Are we living out grace without an understanding of responsibility? What is it about this culture that allows us to not take commitments seriously? Where is the momentum?

By: Cary

Cary — Tue, 03 Oct 2006 03:25:00 +0000

BTW, Lydia, sorry to show my ignorance but who is a SO?

By: Cary

Cary — Tue, 03 Oct 2006 03:24:00 +0000

Sue, thanks so much for the encouragement.
Helen, thank you for the practical advice. I have been trying some of that recently with some success. It’s also been helpful in forcing me to delegate more and give people more ownership in our ministry.
Lydia, good thoughts. We’re so small at this point, though, that we know why the ones who are sporadic are missing. Not sure about the ones who were so gung-ho and now MIA, though. (Although, unfortunately, I’ve heard stories from reliable sources giving me some indication that people on staff where my husband previously was a pastor have been working against us. Very frustrating and disappointing.)
SL, thanks so much for posting. Sorry to hear about your own experiences with this. The pub sounds like a great idea; hope it picks up for you. You’ll have to keep us posted. I’m with you on the numbers thing. We definitely don’t want a mega-ministry, and we’ve already decided that we would plant if we ever got to that point. But there is a sense of confusion over what causes similar ministries to thrive or die.
Wilsford, I get what you’re driving at. In such a fledgling community, though, it’s so hard to understand that we’ve yet to have a single gathering where everyone was there at once. We’re trying to build a tight-knit community that can support each other throughout the week and not just Sundays, so we need to get some sort of consistency going (especially since our gatherings are also our main source of fellowship for the community with our meal after the meeting). I totally agree that Church is a lot more about Mon-Sat than it is about a few hours Sun morning, but I think we have to have some sort of consistent time to exchange ideas and feed each other as a community. Thanks for the perspective.

By: wilsford

wilsford — Tue, 03 Oct 2006 02:39:00 +0000

i wonder why we equate "commitment" with "being there every time the doors are open."

is that a habit carried over from the way we think of church as a function that happens one, two, three times a week?

we are as committed to the group of people who meet once a week as we are likely to get. we don't attend every week. if we felt as though we had to it would be sayonara baby, i can always stay home.

our 'church,' however...the body of believers and strugglers with whom we have varying levels of relationships...to that we remain committed, on loose, undefined, yet significant terms.

hard to explain other than to say that there's a whole lot more to being supportive than supporting the formal institution, regardless of how it sees itself.

may or may not be helpful to you, but that's where we're coming from on the attendance issue.

By: Sarcastic Lutheran

Sarcastic Lutheran — Mon, 02 Oct 2006 21:51:00 +0000

I feel you. This is something I fear. For myself, I have just started a Theology Pub once a month…There have been probably 35 people who said they were psyched about the idea and want to be involved. How many showed up the first time? 4. (two of them being my best friend and her husband). It’s so hard as a leader to have results point to God and not to ourselves (if there were 20 people then I would have struggled with pride, and since there were 4 I struggled with self-loathing) both of these reactions point to me and not to God and I don’t think that’s very cool, but how do we avoid that reaction? I’m planning an emerging church plant (in the future…the theology pub is the first step) and have to admit that I’m afraid of “failure”, meaning that I’d feel like shit if I planted a church and no one came, know what I mean?. These are difficult things for me to admit since I’m like the super confident, super capable type (outwardly anyway)
I read the Christian Century article about Jacob’s Well in Kansas City which has 1000 members. I’m not interrested in pastoring a huge church, but still I was wondering…how’d that happen when so many of my friend’s chuches struggle (moot, home, maybe, spirit garage, mercy seat). How do we plant thriving communities without playing the church-growth polka?

By: lydia

lydia — Mon, 02 Oct 2006 18:57:00 +0000

seriously, where are they?

I don't know...have you asked them?

I can only speak for myself, but my SO and I are less involved in the church we sometimes attend for the following reasons:

- He works the swing shift, which means it's very difficult for us to make it to church some weeks.

- He used to be scheduled to work on some Sundays.

- He has some health issues that make it difficult for him to constantly move from one activity to the next. We have to prioritize our weeekends, and sometimes an event with extended family or his rest takes priority over church.

I'm not saying that all of the people you've talked to have health or work issues that prevent them from coming....but a few might.

By: Helen

Helen — Mon, 02 Oct 2006 12:41:00 +0000

Cary, when you run into people who say they’d like to be part of your new church, can you assign them roles that commit them to being there or to telling you if they can’t come?

Maybe part of the problem is that since they aren’t ‘needed’ they don’t think it matters if they show up or not.

I know this isn’t the way churches usually go but I’m guessing that if you took turns leading the meetings the people assigned to lead each week would show up.

By: Sue Densmore

Sue Densmore — Mon, 02 Oct 2006 01:58:00 +0000

Hey, don’t forget that Jesus experienced something similar. Remember when He said that if the people wanted to follow Him they would have to eat His flesh and drink His blood? Many left after that.

We humans don’t like change, and we Americans hate it when someone tries to tell us what to do. Hang in there!!!

By: Cary

Cary — Sun, 01 Oct 2006 18:39:00 +0000

Thank you both for your encouragement. I do believe in what we’re doing, and I know that even if this doesn’t come together in the end that God has had things to teach us through it all. He sends us little things like a couple who visited this morning who was so refreshing and encouraging to speak with, just enough to keep us going and to be reminded that His hand is in it all. What a wonderful Father we serve!