Comments on: The Devil Wears Prada and Runs for Presidency http://www.emergingwomen.us/2006/09/25/the-devil-wears-prada-and-runs-for-presidency/ Wed, 08 Feb 2012 17:35:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Julie http://www.emergingwomen.us/2006/09/25/the-devil-wears-prada-and-runs-for-presidency/comment-page-1/#comment-826 Julie Sun, 01 Oct 2006 02:19:00 +0000 http://www.emergingwomen.us/2006/09/25/the-devil-wears-prada-and-runs-for-presidency/#comment-826 Sherri - you're right with the slippery slope thing. It goes that way all the time. Even with people who are generally open to women being people and all that. It always jumps to the homosexuality and abortion cards. Now I have my own opinions on homosexuality and am generally pissed that the feminist movement has been hijacked by the abortion debate, but its all apples and oranges. The people who go down the slippery slope assume that homosexuality and abortion are sins and hence are equating being a women with a call from God with sin. I usually shut them up by saying "are you saying its a sin to be a woman". I know it doesn't logically follow, but it makes them consider their words... Sherri – you’re right with the slippery slope thing. It goes that way all the time. Even with people who are generally open to women being people and all that. It always jumps to the homosexuality and abortion cards. Now I have my own opinions on homosexuality and am generally pissed that the feminist movement has been hijacked by the abortion debate, but its all apples and oranges. The people who go down the slippery slope assume that homosexuality and abortion are sins and hence are equating being a women with a call from God with sin. I usually shut them up by saying “are you saying its a sin to be a woman”. I know it doesn’t logically follow, but it makes them consider their words…

]]> By: From the Margins http://www.emergingwomen.us/2006/09/25/the-devil-wears-prada-and-runs-for-presidency/comment-page-1/#comment-809 From the Margins Fri, 29 Sep 2006 22:14:00 +0000 http://www.emergingwomen.us/2006/09/25/the-devil-wears-prada-and-runs-for-presidency/#comment-809 SM: I'll try. The linking goes something like this: <br/><br/>"If one takes the N.T. scriptures regarding women as contextually/culturally specific, than one is venturing into relativism and if the scriptures regarding women are 'deemed' relative, then so will all the scriptures related to homosexuality and once that happens, then none of the scripture is safe from such private interpretation and then abortion will be 'okay' too depending on cultural circumstances and so then we might just as well all approve of killing unborn babies whenever it's culturually convenient." <br/><br/>Whew! That's how it goes in almost one continuous sentence (with a continous string of 'ands and thens.') Caught unaware of this 'slippery slope into relativism' argument, I've seen women totally silenced and humiliated with this line/linkage, hearing themselves now pro-baby killers for even daring to bring up the 'women question.' <br/><br/>Whew! Just imagine trying to sort that one out in a room filled with 'people' all shaking their heads unanimously to such a proclamation! <br/><br/>Did I say, Whew! :-) SM: I’ll try. The linking goes something like this:

“If one takes the N.T. scriptures regarding women as contextually/culturally specific, than one is venturing into relativism and if the scriptures regarding women are ‘deemed’ relative, then so will all the scriptures related to homosexuality and once that happens, then none of the scripture is safe from such private interpretation and then abortion will be ‘okay’ too depending on cultural circumstances and so then we might just as well all approve of killing unborn babies whenever it’s culturually convenient.”

Whew! That’s how it goes in almost one continuous sentence (with a continous string of ‘ands and thens.’) Caught unaware of this ‘slippery slope into relativism’ argument, I’ve seen women totally silenced and humiliated with this line/linkage, hearing themselves now pro-baby killers for even daring to bring up the ‘women question.’

Whew! Just imagine trying to sort that one out in a room filled with ‘people’ all shaking their heads unanimously to such a proclamation!

Did I say, Whew! :-)

]]> By: soldiermom http://www.emergingwomen.us/2006/09/25/the-devil-wears-prada-and-runs-for-presidency/comment-page-1/#comment-803 soldiermom Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:34:00 +0000 http://www.emergingwomen.us/2006/09/25/the-devil-wears-prada-and-runs-for-presidency/#comment-803 "Women are not just up against a gender battle for equality in these camps but a much larger monster looms behind the door of conversation, ready to pounce, when the topic comes to the floor. When women are unaware of the linkage to the 'slippery slope' mentality, it is quickly becomes impossible for even a civil dialogue to take place and frustration reaches an all time high."<br/><br/>Sheri can you (or anyone else) expound on some of these linkages? I think that might be enlightening for me. Thanks “Women are not just up against a gender battle for equality in these camps but a much larger monster looms behind the door of conversation, ready to pounce, when the topic comes to the floor. When women are unaware of the linkage to the ‘slippery slope’ mentality, it is quickly becomes impossible for even a civil dialogue to take place and frustration reaches an all time high.”

Sheri can you (or anyone else) expound on some of these linkages? I think that might be enlightening for me. Thanks

]]> By: From the Margins http://www.emergingwomen.us/2006/09/25/the-devil-wears-prada-and-runs-for-presidency/comment-page-1/#comment-801 From the Margins Tue, 26 Sep 2006 20:10:00 +0000 http://www.emergingwomen.us/2006/09/25/the-devil-wears-prada-and-runs-for-presidency/#comment-801 Cary. Yup, the issue of women being suited equally capable for any and all leadership/ministry positions is loudly fought, not based on it's own merit, but as a packaged deal with other 'hot button' items. (At least, hot button in today's context of politicized religion.)<br/><br/>Women are not just up against a gender battle for equality in these camps but a much larger monster looms behind the door of conversation, ready to pounce, when the topic comes to the floor. When women are unaware of the linkage to the 'slippery slope' mentality, it is quickly becomes impossible for even a civil dialogue to take place and frustration reaches an all time high. <br/><br/>HOW ABOUT? C. Rice vs. H. Clinton! Oh ... wouldn't that be a hoot! Just makes me giggle ... all the 'underwear tied in a bundle' over that matchup! (Oops ... I think you have to be over 50 to know that phrase, sorry!) Cary. Yup, the issue of women being suited equally capable for any and all leadership/ministry positions is loudly fought, not based on it’s own merit, but as a packaged deal with other ‘hot button’ items. (At least, hot button in today’s context of politicized religion.)

Women are not just up against a gender battle for equality in these camps but a much larger monster looms behind the door of conversation, ready to pounce, when the topic comes to the floor. When women are unaware of the linkage to the ‘slippery slope’ mentality, it is quickly becomes impossible for even a civil dialogue to take place and frustration reaches an all time high.

HOW ABOUT? C. Rice vs. H. Clinton! Oh … wouldn’t that be a hoot! Just makes me giggle … all the ‘underwear tied in a bundle’ over that matchup! (Oops … I think you have to be over 50 to know that phrase, sorry!)

]]> By: lydia http://www.emergingwomen.us/2006/09/25/the-devil-wears-prada-and-runs-for-presidency/comment-page-1/#comment-800 lydia Tue, 26 Sep 2006 14:24:00 +0000 http://www.emergingwomen.us/2006/09/25/the-devil-wears-prada-and-runs-for-presidency/#comment-800 <b>the argument is not over whether women are different than men. it's about determining that they are "better suited" for office by virtue of gender</b><br/><br/>You beat me to it, Wilsford. I was just about to say that. :) the argument is not over whether women are different than men. it’s about determining that they are “better suited” for office by virtue of gender

You beat me to it, Wilsford. I was just about to say that. :)

]]> By: soldiermom http://www.emergingwomen.us/2006/09/25/the-devil-wears-prada-and-runs-for-presidency/comment-page-1/#comment-798 soldiermom Tue, 26 Sep 2006 13:20:00 +0000 http://www.emergingwomen.us/2006/09/25/the-devil-wears-prada-and-runs-for-presidency/#comment-798 I think Falwell's comment was directly related to the fact that Hillary is a woman, a woman with a brain and the potential to bring an end to what some consider to be the "woman's place". Right-wingers are so threatened by her that they can't even hear her voice without smoke coming from their collective ears. It would be funny if it wasn’t so tragic. <br/><br/>And yes, it is because of her ideology, however, she is just one democrat. They don’t hiss and shout when other vocal dems speak their minds. They hate her more than they hated her husband!! Just last week I heard Bill O’Reilly say he thought that Bill Clinton was a good president!! WHAT??? He had nothing good to say about Bill when he was in office, yet in the light of time Bill gives the other Bill props? Ask him about Hillary though? I wonder what O’Reilly would say? It is the conservative, evangelical, right-winger’s squinty-eyed view that everyone needs to follow their rules. “Women are not to lead men, period – end of discussion.” <br/><br/>I would add to that last rant ;0) that what Falwell is saying is that Hillary will cause more of a stir in his camp than if Satan himself ran. In the past many pundits have compared Hillary to Satan. The only difference in their eyes, is the fact that Satan is depicted in their lore as a man. This is all about gender and the conservatives would fight against her on that position alone. (been there, been one, understand the motivation…praising God that I can see differently now!) <br/><br/>Thanks for letting me fume. I think Falwell’s comment was directly related to the fact that Hillary is a woman, a woman with a brain and the potential to bring an end to what some consider to be the “woman’s place”. Right-wingers are so threatened by her that they can’t even hear her voice without smoke coming from their collective ears. It would be funny if it wasn’t so tragic.

And yes, it is because of her ideology, however, she is just one democrat. They don’t hiss and shout when other vocal dems speak their minds. They hate her more than they hated her husband!! Just last week I heard Bill O’Reilly say he thought that Bill Clinton was a good president!! WHAT??? He had nothing good to say about Bill when he was in office, yet in the light of time Bill gives the other Bill props? Ask him about Hillary though? I wonder what O’Reilly would say? It is the conservative, evangelical, right-winger’s squinty-eyed view that everyone needs to follow their rules. “Women are not to lead men, period – end of discussion.”

I would add to that last rant ;0) that what Falwell is saying is that Hillary will cause more of a stir in his camp than if Satan himself ran. In the past many pundits have compared Hillary to Satan. The only difference in their eyes, is the fact that Satan is depicted in their lore as a man. This is all about gender and the conservatives would fight against her on that position alone. (been there, been one, understand the motivation…praising God that I can see differently now!)

Thanks for letting me fume.

]]> By: wilsford http://www.emergingwomen.us/2006/09/25/the-devil-wears-prada-and-runs-for-presidency/comment-page-1/#comment-796 wilsford Tue, 26 Sep 2006 11:44:00 +0000 http://www.emergingwomen.us/2006/09/25/the-devil-wears-prada-and-runs-for-presidency/#comment-796 somewhere along the line remains the point that restricting your vote to female candidates on the assumption that because they are female the difference they'll make is desirable is the same as refusing to vote for female candidates on the assumption that their gender will make a difference.<br/><br/>the argument is not over whether women are different than men. it's about determining that they are "better suited" for office by virtue of gender. somewhere along the line remains the point that restricting your vote to female candidates on the assumption that because they are female the difference they’ll make is desirable is the same as refusing to vote for female candidates on the assumption that their gender will make a difference.

the argument is not over whether women are different than men. it’s about determining that they are “better suited” for office by virtue of gender.

]]> By: Cary http://www.emergingwomen.us/2006/09/25/the-devil-wears-prada-and-runs-for-presidency/comment-page-1/#comment-795 Cary Tue, 26 Sep 2006 03:54:00 +0000 http://www.emergingwomen.us/2006/09/25/the-devil-wears-prada-and-runs-for-presidency/#comment-795 Sherri, it's funny that you mention that. My husband was just talking to me last night about how that certain high-level conservatives (okay, he named names, but I won't since this is the www and not a private conversation) will never come to the point where they support women in "high" (for lack of a better word) ministry positions because of their "can of worms" mentality. They're so concerned that if they budge on that issue, they'd have to change their stance on homosexuality somewhere not too far down the line. It's just ludicrous to base your theology in one area on how you believe about a completely random topic! Sherri, it’s funny that you mention that. My husband was just talking to me last night about how that certain high-level conservatives (okay, he named names, but I won’t since this is the www and not a private conversation) will never come to the point where they support women in “high” (for lack of a better word) ministry positions because of their “can of worms” mentality. They’re so concerned that if they budge on that issue, they’d have to change their stance on homosexuality somewhere not too far down the line. It’s just ludicrous to base your theology in one area on how you believe about a completely random topic!

]]> By: Julie http://www.emergingwomen.us/2006/09/25/the-devil-wears-prada-and-runs-for-presidency/comment-page-1/#comment-794 Julie Tue, 26 Sep 2006 03:50:00 +0000 http://www.emergingwomen.us/2006/09/25/the-devil-wears-prada-and-runs-for-presidency/#comment-794 Sylvia - got the posts cleared up. That's been happening to me a lot recently. And for the recored use whatever language you want... Sylvia – got the posts cleared up. That’s been happening to me a lot recently. And for the recored use whatever language you want…

]]> By: From the Margins http://www.emergingwomen.us/2006/09/25/the-devil-wears-prada-and-runs-for-presidency/comment-page-1/#comment-793 From the Margins Tue, 26 Sep 2006 03:25:00 +0000 http://www.emergingwomen.us/2006/09/25/the-devil-wears-prada-and-runs-for-presidency/#comment-793 Well said, mompr.<br/> <br/>Wilsford ... I wish I could believe with you that even in conservative circles being biased based on gender would be unacceptable. I wish.<br/><br/>Gender heirarchy is tied to abortion is tied to homosexuality. In evangelical fundamentalist-right wing circles, these are inseparable! Talking about only one of these issues at a time is literally impossible. It's just goofy. Well said, mompr.

Wilsford … I wish I could believe with you that even in conservative circles being biased based on gender would be unacceptable. I wish.

Gender heirarchy is tied to abortion is tied to homosexuality. In evangelical fundamentalist-right wing circles, these are inseparable! Talking about only one of these issues at a time is literally impossible. It’s just goofy.

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